Was Frank Solich eventually transitioning to the spread?

[DTC Husker]

now, back off topic again ...

Grix was our best DB this year ... better than bowman or anyone else ...

EC stupid?  let me get this straight, we ooh, and ahh, when he knocks a hawkeye DB on his butt going for a score .... what's that say about our intelligence ... above monkey level?

i guess when i took the ACT, they mailed the results directly to me, not to the whole school ... weird how that's changed ...

SCV,

are you sure you aren't talking about Tommy Lee's tutor being the one you know  

I was thinking about responding to ACT scores and such...   SCV... you're bad   :lol:

[DTC Husker]

i guess when i took the ACT, they mailed the results directly to me, not to the whole school ... weird how that's changed ...

It's been awhile for me too DH, but wasn't it that you received your test score plus they get sent to the schools you request they get sent to?  Thus, I thought you're ACT/SAT scores were private info that schools weren't allowed to disclose publicly, so any mention of someone's score is either baloney or released of their own accord. right?

[DieHard]

i guess when i took the ACT, they mailed the results directly to me, not to the whole school ... weird how that's changed ...

It's been awhile for me too DH, but wasn't it that you received your test score plus they get sent to the schools you request they get sent to?  Thus, I thought you're ACT/SAT scores were private info that schools weren't allowed to disclose publicly, so any mention of someone's score is either baloney or released of their own accord. right?

yeah, you're right ... three schools (six if you paid extra) ....

so let me get this straight, someone here claims that they know someone that EC was bragging to about how poorly he did on his ACTs ...

yeah, that's the ticket ...

[tfree32]

i guess when i took the ACT, they mailed the results directly to me, not to the whole school ... weird how that's changed ...

It's been awhile for me too DH, but wasn't it that you received your test score plus they get sent to the schools you request they get sent to?  Thus, I thought you're ACT/SAT scores were private info that schools weren't allowed to disclose publicly, so any mention of someone's score is either baloney or released of their own accord. right?

yeah, you're right ... three schools (six if you paid extra) ....

so let me get this straight, someone here claims that they know someone that EC was bragging to about how poorly he did on his ACTs ...

yeah, that's the ticket ...

He was having difficulty with the test, and it was no secret at the time. He was pretty open with his friends about what was going on, and concerned that unless he got his scores up, he wouldn't qualify.

Damn that tutor's hot...nice pic.  

[TVCC]

he actually had more of a passing qb than a running qb this year, which is why they ran less with the qb and passed more.  it actually was a fairly balanced offense, 58th in rushing, 66th in passing, 45th in scoring.  while the basic principles of the offense are pretty much the same as to what he was running at nebraska, he and albin have definitely changed some things.

They also have a committ from a 3 star Duel Threat JUCO QB for 2008.
 
They have wanted to move to more spread type offense but the had drop back passing QBs, so the they leaned on the MACs leading rusher for the last three seasons and just pounded the ball along with play action passing.

[TVCC]

I think eventually that if given the time FS would have transitioned into some type of spread option offence.  

FS 3 biggest blunders as a HC was that he did not recruit a great QB did not recruit a great RB, and let his good friend Gillespie be his RB coach and recruiting coordinator.  

In 2003 we all expected more passing and less Jamal Lord running.  But, when it came right down to it Cotton and Solich sat down and said how are we going to win the most games?   Well, what they were doing in 2002 was really all they could do in 2003.  He really had no other options.  He didn't try and put a square peg into a round hole.  They needed a better thowing QB, they needed better rb play.  

I do think eventually they would have been a more balanced spread offence.

To quote a very famous ex coach at NU.  "It is what it is"   They offence was not going to change dramatically in 2003 because the personel could not do it.

He did recruit a great QB, He's the starting center fielder for the Tampa Devilrays. Carl Crawford could play QB at NU or take the 1.5 mill signing bonus and play baseball. At somewhere around 5 mill per season, Carl can say "Baseball been bery bery good to me".

[Red Storm Rising]

I never said I was brighter than anyone else, and was just stating my opinion. As for Crouch, he scored something like a 10 on his ACT if I recall correctly. There's a reason he wasn't able to make it in the NFL, and a big part of that was struggling with an NFL playbook.

As far as my opinion on Solich, it's just that...my opinion. Feel free to disagree. But I saw an offense that has been varied and running like a machine become simplied, stagnant, and predictable under Solich.

I knew he was not the sharpest knife in the dwarer but a 10? That's like mentally disabled personed. I heard a monkey got a 16. You're supposed to have a 20 to get into lincoln (and the average is somewhere around 24) ... guess they make exceptions
I doubt theres a link anywhere but I'd like to see it if anyone has one.....

Maybe he took it again and got some tutoring to finally get a score high enough to qualify. But the joke at Millard North was always that a trained money got a better score on the ACT than Eric Crouch did. That's why I cut Solich some slack on dumbing down his offense, assuming that it was necessary to simplify things and make it more similar to Millard North's so that he could get Crouch on the field.

If Crouch actually scored a 10 on his ACT, there is no amount of tutoring that could improve that score to 18 (the minimum for the NCAA)--I would think a Mensa member like you could figure that out--and as to the offense, JL must have scored even lower than EC (per your theory) as that offense was even more QB centered in 02-03--but don't let facts get in your way-- you may continue to trash any current and former players as you see fit

GBR

I'm not a Mensa member, and never claimed to be any smarter than anyone else. I'm not sure what exactly Crouch's score was, but it was extremely low, hence the "trained monkey" references with relation to his score. Ten is an approximation, but it's a close one.

I'm also curious why you seem to take my posts personally and accuse me of trashing current and former players. Please feel free to elaborate on that.

  Please--you dumped all over Grix, calling him Gary Coleman or a midget--you just called our most recent Hiesman winner a "trained monkey"--you questioned TO's ability to serve as AD, and one of your more vulgar posts, you called CM "McGina" -- is that enough to refresh your memory or should we go deeper--and yes, I prolly do take it personally when :roll: fans like you trash current and former players--I just find it offensive

GBR

[tfree32]

Please--you dumped all over Grix, calling him Gary Coleman or a midget--you just called our most recent Hiesman winner a "trained monkey"--you questioned TO's ability to serve as AD, and one of your more vulgar posts, you called CM "McGina" -- is that enough to refresh your memory or should we go deeper--and yes, I prolly do take it personally when :roll: fans like you trash current and former players--I just find it offensive

I pointed out that Grixby's size was a handicap, especially in the matchups he faced last year. It frustrated me seeing him matched up with guys like Malcolm Kelly, in situations where he was doomed to failure. I pointed out that his nickname around campus was "Gary Coleman." That's not something I made up, and I know I wasn't the only one frustrated that we had a cornerback who's roughly 5'8" covering wide receivers almost a foot taller.

I never called Crouch a "trained monkey." I pointed out that Solich's offense was limited. I then added that that may not have been his fault, because the QBs he was working with were limited, and may not have been able to digest complex offenses. Someone challenged me on that and I pointed out that Crouch may not have been that bright. Someone challenged me on that and we got into a discussion of his ACT score. Someone else pointed out that a trained money got a better score than the one Crouch got, which is true. But I never called him a "trained monkey."

I questioned the way TO conducted his search. I thought he should have interviewed more candidates, and been willing to offer a more competitive amount of money. I thought it was a mistake to limit the search to coaches with Nebraska ties, or who were willing to take on assistants with Nebraska ties. I haven;t mentioned that in weeks, because it would serve no purpose, and am rooting for Pelini to succeed now because I'm a Husker fan. Are we to the point on a discussion board, where we can't even disagree with Tom Osborne or question his methods?

I did call McKeon "McGina," because I was completely disgusted with the guy. He was a team cancer for most of the season, and just quit on the team. For a senior who should have been leading the team, I found his behavior to be pathetic. I probably could have chosen a better way to express my feelings, and said so shortly after. But my disgust with him hasn't changed.

Just for the record, I don't trash anyone. I post about players performing well, I post about players performing poorly. If somebody's performance sucks, I say so. In my view, that's the point of a Discussion Board.

[cm husker]

Tom can be questioned, but so far I don't see a single thing that he's done wrong.  SO, question away, but don't expect to get a pass when you make asinine comments about the man.

Crouch wasn't stupid.  Do you think the only player on the team who has to master the O is the QB?  Could it be we limited things because our Oline was struggling?  How about our IBs?  How about the fact that maybe that's all we needed when not a single team shut us down offensively in '01 (except maybe Miami who was one of the best teams of all time).  Course a few fans seem to care more about looking pretty and complicated rather than just winning, so maybe I should count you among them?

Grix will go to the NFL.  The main problem he had is he was hamstrung by inadequate coaching that left him and the other other DBs in no man's land too many times.  I don't care if he's 6'4", he wouldn't have been any better positioned to make plays against Kelly or just about anyone else he was matched against.  The problem was poor coaching and scheming (no pressure yet no safety help on the edges most of the time; not to mention the 12 yard cushion that was routinely employed).

McKeon didn't play great this year, but then again, no one really did.  Suh was handcuffed.  Our D player of the year was streaky and inconsistent and would have been 3rd on the team in tackles in '03.  He also had zero forced or recovered turnovers.  Face it, these kids' abilities were completely wasted by inadequate coaching that didn't put them in a position to be successful.  It's impossible to isolate lack of effort from pure frustration with the system.  Plus, I never heard McKeon say anything negative about his teammates; he reserved those comments for the fans (not going to name names here) who threw he and his teammates under the bus in defense of BC.  How exactly was he a cancer?

And you are splitting hairs when you say "I don't trash anyone; I just evaluate it like I see it."  If I were to say "You are a crappy poster with no heart and a cancer to this board," would you consider that "trashing" or "critiquing"?

[tfree32]

I see it as pointing out things that aren't going well, wondering why, and discussing ways to fix them. You see it as me having no heart and being a cancer to the board. I doubt we're going to bridge that divide.  

I think we're beating a dead horse at this point. Let me just say that I'm a huge Husker fan, and despite what you and RSR seem to think, don't ever mean any harm. I get excited when we succeed, and frustrated when we fail, and either way am here to express those feelings. The past season has been a frustrating one for all of us, and I think the posts here reflected that.

Here's hoping we can move past all of that and have a great season under Pelini.

[SCVHusker]

I see it as pointing out things that aren't going well, wondering why, and discussing ways to fix them. You see it as me having no heart and being a cancer to the board. I doubt we're going to bridge that divide.  

I think we're beating a dead horse at this point. Let me just say that I'm a huge Husker fan, and despite what you and RSR seem to think, don't ever mean any harm. I get excited when we succeed, and frustrated when we fail, and either way am here to express those feelings. The past season has been a frustrating one for all of us, and I think the posts here reflected that.

Here's hoping we can move past all of that and have a great season under Pelini.

So can we expect you to live up to your signature line now?

[tfree32]

I see it as pointing out things that aren't going well, wondering why, and discussing ways to fix them. You see it as me having no heart and being a cancer to the board. I doubt we're going to bridge that divide.  

I think we're beating a dead horse at this point. Let me just say that I'm a huge Husker fan, and despite what you and RSR seem to think, don't ever mean any harm. I get excited when we succeed, and frustrated when we fail, and either way am here to express those feelings. The past season has been a frustrating one for all of us, and I think the posts here reflected that.

Here's hoping we can move past all of that and have a great season under Pelini.

So can we expect you to live up to your signature line now?

I've always tried to SCV. My view is that honor and courage aren't limited to mere sunshine pumping in favor of your team, regardless of the situation. Often they're exhibited by expressing honest opinions for which you're sure you'll be attacked, simply because others disagree, or object to posting any criticism whatsoever...on a discussion board no less.

In any event, I think the frustration of the last season made my criticism a little more biting than normal. I'll try to temper it in the future. Here's hoping Pelini and Co. give us all something to be excited about this season.

[SUHnami]

Many people have postulated that Frank Solich was eventually going to spread out his offense and turn NU into a spread option team. Much like WVU and air force today. Being that the zone read, QB wrap, or whatever you want to call it is one of t he most successful offensive plays we see today one can only wonder if fearless franky was eventually moving in that direction .... and where NU wouldve gone with him.
However, I have yet to see any evidence of Frank moving in that direction. His antique version of the option was a little too much for me to handle and I was glad when we has swept aside....
Does anyone think Frank was going to spread em out and modernize NUs option offense?

Had Solich stayed he would've never changed from the triple option to the Spread option.