Pelini should consider using the 3-3-5

[BleedsHuskerRed]

This defense gave OU fits last night and is very effective against the spread offense. Being that all of the teams we will face use the spread to some degree I think the 3-3-5 defense should be considered. The biggest thing we would need though is a good D line (which would be possible if the staff hadn't of fraked it up with Kuli  :evil: ). Did you see all the pressure WVU gave OU when they rushed 3 (thats right just) just 3 defenders. The speedy D ends beat the big fat tackles on many many plays.
The 3-3-5 matches up well against the spread and could be the the answer everyone has been looking for when it comes to defending the spread. Why not give it a try?

[RedDenver]

Note that OU does not run the spread; therefore, WVU beating OU using a 3-3-5 defense does NOT mean the 3-3-5 is effective against the spread. In fact, OU ran the 4-3 against Mizzou's spread and was extremely effective in both their base D and in the nickel.

[DieHard]

two things:

1 - it is a off the mainstream D that does have some merit ... not a gimmick at all, and would be a preparation problem for OCs to deal with much the same as how the option used to be for DCs

2 - i doubt we'd ever use it exclusively, but i could see Bo creating a package around this based on personnel and the opponent ...

not a bad idea at all ... how would this be different than how every team now has a nickel and dime package, and some use  the quarter and 3-0 as well ...

i like it, keep up the good work!

[BleedsHuskerRed]

Note that OU does not run the spread; therefore, WVU beating OU using a 3-3-5 defense does NOT mean the 3-3-5 is effective against the spread. In fact, OU ran the 4-3 against Mizzou's spread and was extremely effective in both their base D and in the nickel.

OU runs spread formations.....and the 3-3-5 was effective against those formations

[BleedsHuskerRed]

two things:

1 - it is a off the mainstream D that does have some merit ... not a gimmick at all, and would be a preparation problem for OCs to deal with much the same as how the option used to be for DCs

2 - i doubt we'd ever use it exclusively, but i could see Bo creating a package around this based on personnel and the opponent ...

not a bad idea at all ... how would this be different than how every team now has a nickel and dime package, and some use  the quarter and 3-0 as well ...

i like it, keep up the good work!

This i exactly what I mean
 I dont want the 3-3-5 to be NUs base D, but if Pelini could create a package around it and then pull it out at unexpected times I think it would cause alot of problems for our opponents

[DieHard]

This i exactly what I mean
 I dont want the 3-3-5 to be NUs base D, but if Pelini could create a package around it and then pull it out at unexpected times I think it would cause alot of problems for our opponents

look at it this way ... if coz could do such a thing by using the 3-0 in 06 to beat misery, then i could certainly envision bo doing such a thing with the 3-3-5 to throw a curve ball in big games ....

btw, the myth that the 3-3-5 couldn't stop the run (a PRIORITY in any bo D) isn't true ...

remember TCU in our opener in 01? w/o EC busting some big plays, that would have been an embarrassing game for sure ...

[HCHusker]

The biggest thing that the 3-3-5 does is give the opposing offense problems with their blocking scheme because it is a defense that is designed to blitz and there are a million different blitz packages that one can come up with for that defense.  So other offenses either need to greatly simplify their packages or suffer the way OU did last night.  It is a great way to bring pressure and I would love to see a defensive package with it, but at the same time, because you have to blitz out of it, you have to be extremely disciplined or you will give up a ton of big plays.  It certainly is not a "sit back and read" kind of defense like we saw most of this year.

[MadRat]

I'm pretty sure the Jimmy's and Joe's whipped the crap out of the X's and O's last night.  Just my opinion.

[DieHard]

The biggest thing that the 3-3-5 does is give the opposing offense problems with their blocking scheme because it is a defense that is designed to blitz and there are a million different blitz packages that one can come up with for that defense.  So other offenses either need to greatly simplify their packages or suffer the way OU did last night.  It is a great way to bring pressure and I would love to see a defensive package with it, but at the same time, because you have to blitz out of it, you have to be extremely disciplined or you will give up a ton of big plays.  It certainly is not a "sit back and read" kind of defense like we saw most of this year.

it also causing  blocking scheme problems on the OL assignments since the OL must reach out an block the LBs ... much harder to do with the 3-3-5 and the speed of the personnel that fit it best ...

the best way, imo, to beat the 3-3-5 is straight ahead jam it down their throats ... have a good D to put your O the field a lot, and the 3-3-5 will be in big trouble by the second half ....

but what teams really do that a lot anymore .... well, teams that run the balanced pro style offenses can ...

like SW  

[RedDenver]

I'm pretty sure the Jimmy's and Joe's whipped the crap out of the X's and O's last night.  Just my opinion.

And Pelini has said on many occassions that effort is way more important than scheme on any defense. If you watched the WVU-OU game, OU's D wasn't executing or playing with fire - they definitely got "out-efforted" by WVU.

[DieHard]

I'm pretty sure the Jimmy's and Joe's whipped the crap out of the X's and O's last night.  Just my opinion.

And Pelini has said on many occassions that effort is way more important than scheme on any defense. If you watched the WVU-OU game, OU's D wasn't executing or playing with fire - they definitely got "out-efforted" by WVU.

exactly ... a fired up OU against WVU wins ...

WVU was fired up (obviously, just see the FB talking after the game, or the WR crying after his TD on the sideline tells me that ) , AND THAT IS WHY THEY WON ...

the QB they have doesn't kill OU's D if their OL isn't fired up and the OU D banged up and lethargic imo ....

reminded me of the 94 huskers beating miami with two future hall of famers on D for miami ... ray lewis and fat boy ....

the pipeline and the shirts were too fired up that night for miami to beat us ....  we didn't use rocket science to beat them ...

[destroyer71]

Good points across the board from everybody.  As DH said the 3-3-5 is far from a gimmick defense.  It has the same principals from the old 5-3 defenses just substituting the defensive ends for big safties still playing a cover 3 shell as a base.  The strength of it is that it is a simple defense to learn but at the same time there is a ton of different blitzes and coverage packages that can be used with ease out of it.  If there is such a thing as a key to a defense, the key to any 3 man defensive front is that you have a stud against the run at nose guard.  

The other point that was brought up in this thread is effort on defense.  That is true.  Playing good defense especially for the players in the box is 90% want and 10% technique.

[The Big Red Emperor]

Pelini should consider using the 3-3-5...

...Why not give it a try?

No, no, no... This is not the MWC or WAC.  Rocky Long, Gary Patterson & Bronco Mendenhall can keep their beloved 3-3-5 out west...

[PastorDan]

Bo has a ton of expertise and experience built around a 4 man front. He's not going to throw that away. Mix in a little something different now and then? Sure. Make a wholesale change to the defense he's been running for years? No chance.

[BleedsHuskerRed]

No, no, no... This is not the MWC or WAC.  Rocky Long, Gary Patterson & Bronco Mendenhall can keep their beloved 3-3-5 out west...

not as a base package....just as something to occassionally bust out and mess with other offenses
It gave the big 12 hell last night