Doc Sadler

[UNK_LOPERS]

I truly believe in my heart of hearts that Doc is a good coach.  It's easy to second guess after the fact what any coach did or didn't do.  Doc has made coaching mistakes, so has the best of them.  The only difference is that the best of them has the players to back them up. 

Many, including me, have bitched about Doc's inability to coach offensively.  Seriously though, watch and break down a Kansas game.  We run the same motion offense, I'm not joking.  We don't have the shooters/players to be able to score like clockwork out of that like Kansas, but we do run that exact type of offense. 

My point is that Doc's deficiencies do not come in coaching, they come in recruiting.  Doc actually game plans well (ask Big 12 coaches or Izzo).  At the end of the day, Doc's the perfect coach for us save for one thing.  He runs a clean program, graduates players, helps players in the classroom.  Likable guy and good with the media.  He can't recruit at the clip that is needed to be succesful here though and that's the bottom line. 

My opinions and just something to think about.  In college basketball, recruiting is 3/4th the battle.  The rest of this season we can bitch about Doc for doing this or that, but he's typically doing what needs to be done based off our talent.  My beef with Doc is that he should have more talent by now. 

[SUHnami]

I truly believe in my heart of hearts that Doc is a good coach.  It's easy to second guess after the fact what any coach did or didn't do.  Doc has made coaching mistakes, so has the best of them.  The only difference is that the best of them has the players to back them up. 

Many, including me, have bitched about Doc's inability to coach offensively.  Seriously though, watch and break down a Kansas game.  We run the same motion offense, I'm not joking.  We don't have the shooters/players to be able to score like clockwork out of that like Kansas, but we do run that exact type of offense. 

My point is that Doc's deficiencies do not come in coaching, they come in recruiting.  Doc actually game plans well (ask Big 12 coaches or Izzo).  At the end of the day, Doc's the perfect coach for us save for one thing.  He runs a clean program, graduates players, helps players in the classroom.  Likable guy and good with the media.  He can't recruit at the clip that is needed to be succesful here though and that's the bottom line. 

My opinions and just something to think about.  In college basketball, recruiting is 3/4th the battle.  The rest of this season we can bitch about Doc for doing this or that, but he's typically doing what needs to be done based off our talent.  My beef with Doc is that he should have more talent by now. 

Well put and agree.

[wilber24]

I truly believe in my heart of hearts that Doc is a good coach.  It's easy to second guess after the fact what any coach did or didn't do.  Doc has made coaching mistakes, so has the best of them.  The only difference is that the best of them has the players to back them up. 

Many, including me, have bitched about Doc's inability to coach offensively.  Seriously though, watch and break down a Kansas game.  We run the same motion offense, I'm not joking.  We don't have the shooters/players to be able to score like clockwork out of that like Kansas, but we do run that exact type of offense. 

My point is that Doc's deficiencies do not come in coaching, they come in recruiting.  Doc actually game plans well (ask Big 12 coaches or Izzo).  At the end of the day, Doc's the perfect coach for us save for one thing.  He runs a clean program, graduates players, helps players in the classroom.  Likable guy and good with the media.  He can't recruit at the clip that is needed to be succesful here though and that's the bottom line. 

My opinions and just something to think about.  In college basketball, recruiting is 3/4th the battle.  The rest of this season we can bitch about Doc for doing this or that, but he's typically doing what needs to be done based off our talent.  My beef with Doc is that he should have more talent by now. 

Well put and agree.

agree also, just waiting out the season to see if the plug will be pulled!

[T Husk]

I truly believe in my heart of hearts that Doc is a good coach.  It's easy to second guess after the fact what any coach did or didn't do.  Doc has made coaching mistakes, so has the best of them.  The only difference is that the best of them has the players to back them up. 

Many, including me, have bitched about Doc's inability to coach offensively.  Seriously though, watch and break down a Kansas game.  We run the same motion offense, I'm not joking.  We don't have the shooters/players to be able to score like clockwork out of that like Kansas, but we do run that exact type of offense. 

My point is that Doc's deficiencies do not come in coaching, they come in recruiting.  Doc actually game plans well (ask Big 12 coaches or Izzo).  At the end of the day, Doc's the perfect coach for us save for one thing.  He runs a clean program, graduates players, helps players in the classroom.  Likable guy and good with the media.  He can't recruit at the clip that is needed to be succesful here though and that's the bottom line. 

My opinions and just something to think about.  In college basketball, recruiting is 3/4th the battle.  The rest of this season we can bitch about Doc for doing this or that, but he's typically doing what needs to be done based off our talent.  My beef with Doc is that he should have more talent by now. 

I'm sure not a student of the game but your analysis sounds well thought out.  So, if true, how much of the blame goes to the assistants?  Do they play as big of a role in recruiting as assistants do in football?  I know it ultimately falls on Doc, but does he need better assistants or is he the real problem?

[HuskerFan2002]

I truly believe in my heart of hearts that Doc is a good coach.  It's easy to second guess after the fact what any coach did or didn't do.  Doc has made coaching mistakes, so has the best of them.  The only difference is that the best of them has the players to back them up.  

Many, including me, have bitched about Doc's inability to coach offensively.  Seriously though, watch and break down a Kansas game.  We run the same motion offense, I'm not joking.  We don't have the shooters/players to be able to score like clockwork out of that like Kansas, but we do run that exact type of offense.  

My point is that Doc's deficiencies do not come in coaching, they come in recruiting.  Doc actually game plans well (ask Big 12 coaches or Izzo).  At the end of the day, Doc's the perfect coach for us save for one thing.  He runs a clean program, graduates players, helps players in the classroom.  Likable guy and good with the media.  He can't recruit at the clip that is needed to be succesful here though and that's the bottom line.  

My opinions and just something to think about.  In college basketball, recruiting is 3/4th the battle.  The rest of this season we can bitch about Doc for doing this or that, but he's typically doing what needs to be done based off our talent.  My beef with Doc is that he should have more talent by now.  

I'm sure not a student of the game but your analysis sounds well thought out.  So, if true, how much of the blame goes to the assistants?  Do they play as big of a role in recruiting as assistants do in football?  I know it ultimately falls on Doc, but does he need better assistants or is he the real problem?

After all, Doc does have a hard time even keeping his assistants for more than a couple years. He seems to lose at least one assistant a year.

[redfred]

My point is that Doc's deficiencies do not come in coaching, they come in recruiting.............  My beef with Doc is that he should have more talent by now. 

There is the rub imo. I know we're going to get various opinions as to why Doc.....or just about anyone except Nee......has this problem here, but those arguments are going by the wayside. We're getting very, very good facilities, the fans come when they see a quality product, and the academic (and now training support) are all falling in place. The question is....do we wait and see if these factors help Doc or does he get bounced. My initial feeling was that he had another year....pretty much regardless...not now. There are just too many empty seats to not be concerned about making a change.

It's too bad imo. Doc is a neat and savvy guy. If he is let go here, I really, really hope he has other avenues to follow.....he deserves it.

[Waylon Van Smack]

My point is that Doc's deficiencies do not come in coaching, they come in recruiting.............  My beef with Doc is that he should have more talent by now. 

There is the rub imo. I know we're going to get various opinions as to why Doc.....or just about anyone except Nee......has this problem here, but those arguments are going by the wayside. We're getting very, very good facilities, the fans come when they see a quality product, and the academic (and now training support) are all falling in place. The question is....do we wait and see if these factors help Doc or does he get bounced. My initial feeling was that he had another year....pretty much regardless...not now. There are just too many empty seats to not be concerned about making a change.

It's too bad imo. Doc is a neat and savvy guy. If he is let go here, I really, really hope he has other avenues to follow.....he deserves it.

the empty seats has a lot to do with the switch to B10 IMO and does not reflect on Doc, apathy has always been an issue at nu it is just more appearant when there are no visiting fans due to distance.

[wilber24]

My point is that Doc's deficiencies do not come in coaching, they come in recruiting.............  My beef with Doc is that he should have more talent by now. 

There is the rub imo. I know we're going to get various opinions as to why Doc.....or just about anyone except Nee......has this problem here, but those arguments are going by the wayside. We're getting very, very good facilities, the fans come when they see a quality product, and the academic (and now training support) are all falling in place. The question is....do we wait and see if these factors help Doc or does he get bounced. My initial feeling was that he had another year....pretty much regardless...not now. There are just too many empty seats to not be concerned about making a change.

It's too bad imo. Doc is a neat and savvy guy. If he is let go here, I really, really hope he has other avenues to follow.....he deserves it.

the empty seats has a lot to do with the switch to B10 IMO and does not reflect on Doc, apathy has always been an issue at nu it is just more appearant when there are no visiting fans due to distance.

empty seats were there last year also!

[chrisrd22]

So you don't have the horses to pull the wagon like Self does at KU from an offensive standpoint, yet you stay with that system, which makes you a good coach?

No, that is what makes Doc a slapdick coach.  Play a system that augments your players strength, not forcing them to play something they cannot execute effectively.  Watching NU basketball the last 6 years it is obvious Doc cannot coach an system with produces points effectively.

[UNK_LOPERS]

So you don't have the horses to pull the wagon like Self does at KU from an offensive standpoint, yet you stay with that system, which makes you a good coach?

No, that is what makes Doc a slapdick coach.  Play a system that augments your players strength, not forcing them to play something they cannot execute effectively.  Watching NU basketball the last 6 years it is obvious Doc cannot coach an system with produces points effectively.

We had to run that offense in the Big 12.  No, it wasn't perfectly ideal, I'll admit that.  We had no choice but to slow it down and run methodically.  We could run Dribble-Drive, Princeton, or whatever offense you could think of.  The fact is we don't have the ponies to score at the clip we needed to score at.  Chris, I'm not trying to be mean or keep beating an almost dead horse, but this isn't the MVC where you can run your system with minimal talent and be fine.  MVC is typically good basketball, some good teams in there, some better than Nebraska.  We can run any system, it's tough to hold serve against teams with NBA talent who can score at will.  Doc had no choice but to slow the tempo way down as it gave us the best chance to win.  Say you change to Princeton like Collier, would that be any better?  Would that help us score more?  It didn't help Collier.  It won't stop NBA players from putting on a Sportscenter highlight show.     
 

[wilber24]

So you don't have the horses to pull the wagon like Self does at KU from an offensive standpoint, yet you stay with that system, which makes you a good coach?

No, that is what makes Doc a slapdick coach.  Play a system that augments your players strength, not forcing them to play something they cannot execute effectively.  Watching NU basketball the last 6 years it is obvious Doc cannot coach an system with produces points effectively.

We had to run that offense in the Big 12.  No, it wasn't perfectly ideal, I'll admit that.  We had no choice but to slow it down and run methodically.  We could run Dribble-Drive, Princeton, or whatever offense you could think of.  The fact is we don't have the ponies to score at the clip we needed to score at.  Chris, I'm not trying to be mean or keep beating an almost dead horse, but this isn't the MVC where you can run your system with minimal talent and be fine.  MVC is typically good basketball, some good teams in there, some better than Nebraska.  We can run any system, it's tough to hold serve against teams with NBA talent who can score at will.  Doc had no choice but to slow the tempo way down as it gave us the best chance to win.  Say you change to Princeton like Collier, would that be any better?  Would that help us score more?  It didn't help Collier.  It won't stop NBA players from putting on a Sportscenter highlight show.     
 

Sure does not make any sense to fast break down the floor, then stop and throw it around the outside until the shot clock runs down!

[UNK_LOPERS]

It's easy to talk about system this or system that.  That's what mid-major coaches/fans all think.  Just run a system that fits your team and you can win a ton of games in a power conference.  It doesn't work that way.  You need the Jimmy and Joes.  

At the end of the day, look at the conference records Doc has produced and compare it to the talent he had.  If that doesn't tell you he's a an alright coach (not recruiter, but coach) then I don't know what will.  What more could he have done with those teams?  Teams without a player over 6'6"?  Teams with only 2 or 3 Big 12 players?  You think he should have won the league with those teams?  You think he should have gone 10-6 with those teams and go dancing?  

Chris, with the talent he had, what sort of offense should he be running to dance in the Big 12?  I would like to know.  If I had that answer, I'd quit my job and start my coaching career tomorrow.  

[wilber24]

It's easy to talk about system this or system that.  That's what mid-major coaches/fans all think.  Just run a system that fits your team and you can win a ton of games in a power conference.  It doesn't work that way.  You need the Jimmy and Joes.  

At the end of the day, look at the conference records Doc has produced and compare it to the talent he had.  If that doesn't tell you he's a an alright coach (not recruiter, but coach) then I don't know what will.  What more could he have done with those teams?  Teams without a player over 6'6"?  Teams with only 2 or 3 Big 12 players?  You think he should have won the league with those teams?  You think he should have gone 10-6 with those teams and go dancing?  

Chris, with the talent he had, what sort of offense should he be running to dance in the Big 12?  I would like to know.  If I had that answer, I'd quit my job and start my coaching career tomorrow.  

I will go with Doc being an OK COACH, but that means you need some TOP notch assistant coaches that are good to great recruiters!

[howie long]

Kids want to score points and espn doesn't show 6 defensive highlights when talking about one game. You see highlights of dunks, 3-pointers and big shots. Mom and pop sitting back at home won't see their son hold an opponent to 4 points but they will see him when he's making shots, dunking on an opponent or getting an assist on an alley oop. I believe if you play an exciting brand of basketball the players and the fans will show up.

[LarstheRed]

Kids want to score points and espn doesn't show 6 defensive highlights when talking about one game. You see highlights of dunks, 3-pointers and big shots. Mom and pop sitting back at home won't see their son hold an opponent to 4 points but they will see him when he's making shots, dunking on an opponent or getting an assist on an alley oop. I believe if you play an exciting brand of basketball the players and the fans will show up.

Funny how that works. I completely agree. Defense is an acquired taste. Basic fans don't really appreciate it. I'm not saying I want to see some playground crap all the time, but you need to push the ball and score. You need guys having the confidence to pull up and hit a jumper.