How To Throw The Perfect Pass

[BubbliciousRed]

And by the end of his Jr season, he will be the all-time Husker career yardage leader!

[SUHnami]

And by the end of his Jr season, he will be the all-time Husker career yardage leader!

Yep cause we never had a starting QB who had the opportunity to throw as many passes as TM did.  We haven't had anyone starting for more than 2 years since Crouch.  And when Crouch played we didn't throw the ball the way we do now.  TM still is a very average QB at best.

[BubbliciousRed]

And by the end of his Jr season, he will be the all-time Husker career yardage leader!

Yep cause we never had a starting QB who had the opportunity to throw as many passes as TM did.  We haven't had anyone starting for more than 2 years since Crouch.  And when Crouch played we didn't throw the ball the way we do now.  TM still is a very average QB at best.

Here are the stats, including rushing/passing and combined:

1. Eric Crouch, QB, 1998-01 (3,434/4,481) 7,915

2. Zac Taylor, QB, 2005-06 (-73/5,850) 5,777

3. Taylor Martinez QB 2010-2011 (1,839/3,720)5,559

4. Tommie Frazier, QB, 1992-95 (1,955/3,521) 5,476

5. Joe Ganz, QB, 2005-08 (341/5,125) 5,466

6. Jammal Lord, QB, 2000-03 (2,573/2,848) 5,421

7. Jerry Tagge, QB, 1969-71 (579/4,704) 5,283

8. Dave Humm, QB, 1972-74 (-8/5,035) 5,027

9. Steve Taylor, QB, 1985-88 (2,125/2,815) 4,940

10. Mike Rozier, IB, 1981-83 (4,780/0) 4,780

11. Turner Gill, QB, 1980-83 (1,317/3,317) 4,634

1. Eric Crouch, QB, 1998-01 (3,434/4,481) 7,915

2. Zac Taylor, QB, 2005-06 (-73/5,850) 5,777

3. Taylor Martinez QB 2010-2011 (1,839/3,720)5,559

4. Tommie Frazier, QB, 1992-95 (1,955/3,521) 5,476

5. Joe Ganz, QB, 2005-08 (341/5,125) 5,466

6. Jammal Lord, QB, 2000-03 (2,573/2,848) 5,421

7. Jerry Tagge, QB, 1969-71 (579/4,704) 5,283

8. Dave Humm, QB, 1972-74 (-8/5,035) 5,027

9. Steve Taylor, QB, 1985-88 (2,125/2,815) 4,940

10. Mike Rozier, IB, 1981-83 (4,780/0) 4,780

11. Turner Gill, QB, 1980-83 (1,317/3,317) 4,634


I'd say for a sophomore, he's quite a bit better than average. 

[LarstheRed]

And by the end of his Jr season, he will be the all-time Husker career yardage leader!

Yep cause we never had a starting QB who had the opportunity to throw as many passes as TM did.  We haven't had anyone starting for more than 2 years since Crouch.  And when Crouch played we didn't throw the ball the way we do now.  TM still is a very average QB at best.

Here are the stats, including rushing/passing and combined:

1. Eric Crouch, QB, 1998-01 (3,434/4,481) 7,915

2. Zac Taylor, QB, 2005-06 (-73/5,850) 5,777

3. Taylor Martinez QB 2010-2011 (1,839/3,720)5,559

4. Tommie Frazier, QB, 1992-95 (1,955/3,521) 5,476

5. Joe Ganz, QB, 2005-08 (341/5,125) 5,466

6. Jammal Lord, QB, 2000-03 (2,573/2,848) 5,421

7. Jerry Tagge, QB, 1969-71 (579/4,704) 5,283

8. Dave Humm, QB, 1972-74 (-8/5,035) 5,027

9. Steve Taylor, QB, 1985-88 (2,125/2,815) 4,940

10. Mike Rozier, IB, 1981-83 (4,780/0) 4,780

11. Turner Gill, QB, 1980-83 (1,317/3,317) 4,634

1. Eric Crouch, QB, 1998-01 (3,434/4,481) 7,915

2. Zac Taylor, QB, 2005-06 (-73/5,850) 5,777

3. Taylor Martinez QB 2010-2011 (1,839/3,720)5,559

4. Tommie Frazier, QB, 1992-95 (1,955/3,521) 5,476

5. Joe Ganz, QB, 2005-08 (341/5,125) 5,466

6. Jammal Lord, QB, 2000-03 (2,573/2,848) 5,421

7. Jerry Tagge, QB, 1969-71 (579/4,704) 5,283

8. Dave Humm, QB, 1972-74 (-8/5,035) 5,027

9. Steve Taylor, QB, 1985-88 (2,125/2,815) 4,940

10. Mike Rozier, IB, 1981-83 (4,780/0) 4,780

11. Turner Gill, QB, 1980-83 (1,317/3,317) 4,634


I'd say for a sophomore, he's quite a bit better than average. 

A couple of things to consider in all those numbers you are putting up. First, the styles of offense. Second, the number of years listed on some of those QBs were of them being on the roster, but rarely seeing the field. Third, I would question how many of those QBs played vurtually every snap of every game during their seasons.

Taylor has his moments, but I wouldn't consider him on a par with  many of those guys on that list. He's far more Jammal Lord than Joe Ganz, and he's not even close to being a Frost, Gill, Tagge or Frazier.

[FreightTrain]

It's kinda apropos that the records of throwing the football would end up in a runningbacks hands.  I don't doubt in the least that Martinez will own most of the records when he is finished.  Nebraska hasn't had very many true passing quarterback in it's long history.  They had a few with the likes of Humm, Farragamo and Tagge, but none that started for four seasons.  I don't doubt that Martinez will occupy many places in the record books.  He should be a much different player as a senior than he has been as an underclassman.  He has room to grow and will continue to do so.  His ceiling is up to him however.  His upright style of running the ball will be a factor as to how he will finish his career.  He is but one hit away from missing time with the time he has left.  He isn't the strongest player to play the quarterback position at Nebraska.  An arm tackle can bring the kid down most of the time.  Most likely the reason why he has to coil his body to throw the ball.  I'd like to see the trainers and staff work hard on his strength in the off season.

[helenahusker]

Heaving a ball downfield  to a blanketed receiver, (cough, Tom Brady, cough) is generally a bad idea to begin with, regardless of the technique one uses to employ it.

TM will surprise a lot of people next year, and by 2013 his position atop the all time yardage records will be doubted by few . . .

[Valiantsailor]

Heaving a ball downfield  to a blanketed receiver, (cough, Tom Brady, cough) is generally a bad idea to begin with, regardless of the technique one uses to employ it.

TM will surprise a lot of people next year, and by 2013 his position atop the all time yardage records will be doubted by few . . .

TF had 3 Big 8 Championships and played in 3 NC games and won two.  TF  was 33-3 in Big 8  and champions 1992; 1993; 1994; 1995  Crouch had a Heisman.  Remember TF was a true freshman, not a second year player, so amassing stats isnt necessarily the end all be all.

[Red Ghost]

That is hilarious.

Seriously, have the coaches just given up trying to fix his mechanics?  It seems like they got worse as the season went along.

I thought TM went to a QB camp in California last summer.  Or was it a javelin throwing camp?  His form would be pretty good for the javelin if he stepped into it a little more.

[SUHnami]

Heaving a ball downfield  to a blanketed receiver, (cough, Tom Brady, cough) is generally a bad idea to begin with, regardless of the technique one uses to employ it.

TM will surprise a lot of people next year, and by 2013 his position atop the all time yardage records will be doubted by few . . .

TF had 3 Big 8 Championships and played in 3 NC games and won two.  TF  was 33-3 in Big 8  and champions 1992; 1993; 1994; 1995  Crouch had a Heisman.  Remember TF was a true freshman, not a second year player, so amassing stats isnt necessarily the end all be all.

Not to mention TF missed what 7 or 8 games in the '94 season?  Also he didn't start his Frosh year until Missouri.  Thinks of what his stats would've been if he had started every game as a tFR and didn't miss anytime in '94.  Off the charts probably. No way TM would even come close.

[Solly]

Heaving a ball downfield  to a blanketed receiver, (cough, Tom Brady, cough) is generally a bad idea to begin with, regardless of the technique one uses to employ it.

TM will surprise a lot of people next year, and by 2013 his position atop the all time yardage records will be doubted by few . . .

TF had 3 Big 8 Championships and played in 3 NC games and won two.  TF  was 33-3 in Big 8  and champions 1992; 1993; 1994; 1995  Crouch had a Heisman.  Remember TF was a true freshman, not a second year player, so amassing stats isnt necessarily the end all be all.

Not to mention TF missed what 7 or 8 games in the '94 season?  Also he didn't start his Frosh year until Missouri.  Thinks of what his stats would've been if he had started every game as a tFR and didn't miss anytime in '94.  Off the charts probably. No way TM would even come close.

Tommie's added stats from games he missed because of injury in 1994, or because he couldn't initially beat out Mike Grant in 1992 would be very unlikely to surpass what Martinez will compile by the end of his junior year, let alone his senior year, if he remains NU's starter..

[tfree32]

I frankly don't care much about Martinez's stats. I care far more about the fact that he's at-best mediocre and not the caliber of QB that can lead this team to league or national titles. I care far more about the fact that he's not particularly good at anything. And I care far more about the fact that when the pressure's on and the team needs him the most, he's the least likely to deliver.

I hope he develops into a far better QB. Assuming he doesn't, I hope the coaching staff pulls their thumbs out of their asses and recruits and develops some options.

[BubbliciousRed]

I frankly don't care much about Martinez's stats. I care far more about the fact that he's at-best mediocre and not the caliber of QB that can lead this team to league or national titles. I care far more about the fact that he's not particularly good at anything. And I care far more about the fact that when the pressure's on and the team needs him the most, he's the least likely to deliver.

I hope he develops into a far better QB. Assuming he doesn't, I hope the coaching staff pulls their thumbs out of their asses and recruits and develops some options.

You mentioned three "facts", none of which are facts.

[Red Said Ted]

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I frankly don't care much about Martinez's stats. I care far more about the fact that he's at-best mediocre and not the caliber of QB that can lead this team to league or national titles. I care far more about the fact that he's not particularly good at anything. And I care far more about the fact that when the pressure's on and the team needs him the most, he's the least likely to deliver.

I hope he develops into a far better QB. Assuming he doesn't, I hope the coaching staff pulls their thumbs out of their asses and recruits and develops some options.

Tfree, Rough day, brother?

[Cdog923]

And by the end of his Jr season, he will be the all-time Husker career yardage leader!

Yep cause we never had a starting QB who had the opportunity to throw as many passes as TM did.  We haven't had anyone starting for more than 2 years since Crouch.  And when Crouch played we didn't throw the ball the way we do now.  TM still is a very average QB at best.

Here are the stats, including rushing/passing and combined:

1. Eric Crouch, QB, 1998-01 (3,434/4,481) 7,915

2. Zac Taylor, QB, 2005-06 (-73/5,850) 5,777

3. Taylor Martinez QB 2010-2011 (1,839/3,720)5,559

4. Tommie Frazier, QB, 1992-95 (1,955/3,521) 5,476

5. Joe Ganz, QB, 2005-08 (341/5,125) 5,466

6. Jammal Lord, QB, 2000-03 (2,573/2,848) 5,421

7. Jerry Tagge, QB, 1969-71 (579/4,704) 5,283

8. Dave Humm, QB, 1972-74 (-8/5,035) 5,027

9. Steve Taylor, QB, 1985-88 (2,125/2,815) 4,940

10. Mike Rozier, IB, 1981-83 (4,780/0) 4,780

11. Turner Gill, QB, 1980-83 (1,317/3,317) 4,634

1. Eric Crouch, QB, 1998-01 (3,434/4,481) 7,915

2. Zac Taylor, QB, 2005-06 (-73/5,850) 5,777

3. Taylor Martinez QB 2010-2011 (1,839/3,720)5,559

4. Tommie Frazier, QB, 1992-95 (1,955/3,521) 5,476

5. Joe Ganz, QB, 2005-08 (341/5,125) 5,466

6. Jammal Lord, QB, 2000-03 (2,573/2,848) 5,421

7. Jerry Tagge, QB, 1969-71 (579/4,704) 5,283

8. Dave Humm, QB, 1972-74 (-8/5,035) 5,027

9. Steve Taylor, QB, 1985-88 (2,125/2,815) 4,940

10. Mike Rozier, IB, 1981-83 (4,780/0) 4,780

11. Turner Gill, QB, 1980-83 (1,317/3,317) 4,634


I'd say for a sophomore, he's quite a bit better than average. 

Have you heard of the old adage about the three types of lies?

[tfree32]

I frankly don't care much about Martinez's stats. I care far more about the fact that he's at-best mediocre and not the caliber of QB that can lead this team to league or national titles. I care far more about the fact that he's not particularly good at anything. And I care far more about the fact that when the pressure's on and the team needs him the most, he's the least likely to deliver.

I hope he develops into a far better QB. Assuming he doesn't, I hope the coaching staff pulls their thumbs out of their asses and recruits and develops some options.

You mentioned three "facts", none of which are facts.

Then feel free to refute them.

Tfree, Rough day, brother?

Not too bad. Just a little tired of watching the team roll into season after season and big game after big game knowing that we don't have the firepower to pull out the win. No doubt there are any number of issues that need to be fixed with this team. But a glaring one is that we need far better play out of the QB position.