Putting things into perspective

[BubbliciousRed]

]Yeah, but as far as recruiting experts go, Bobby Burton was a bust.

http://rivals100.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=146002

Bobby Burton
National Analyst and Publisher
Nationally recognized as one of the foremost authorities on college football recruiting. Burton was ranked the 88th most powerful person in sports by The Sporting News in 2000 for his influence on college recruiting. Burton was the long-time editor-in-chief of the National Recruiting Advisor, a ground-breaking newsletter and magazine that focused on college football recruiting, before selling the publication to Rival Networks in April of 1999. He has written for ESPN.com, The Sporting News, FansOnly, FoxSports.com and the Dallas Morning News and has appeared on numerous television and radio shows nationwide. He serves as a consultant for the Parade All-America teams. Burton is also in charge of putting together the Rivals.com team of analysts and reporters, a group generally considered the best in the business.

[Valiantsailor]

I track more with tfree than Bummer.  I think the last two classes are much better than 2008 and 2009.  That's obviously a good thing.  We're getting better recruits.  But I'm worried about where we're headed.  The deal with Peat makes me think we had all our eggs in one basket concerning him.  Was Whitaker the fall back position if Peat didn't sign?  

I think the program has an image issue.  And some of that image is... we make some really dumb mistakes, at the worst possible times, during big time games.  We've been embarrassed on national TV.   Throw in inconsistent QB play, Pelini's demeanor, at times, on the sideline (I have no problem with his actions)... I think some folks aren't giving us a serious look.  They're not even interested.  We're yesterday's news to them.  That's got to change.

I think we can turn it around, but it's going to take more effort than what we've seen so far.  

We are our own worst enemies Big Sky.  We didntt lose, we got drilled.   Bo Barking on the sidelines comes across as boorish and bullying.  Bo has to learn to pick the right time and move on instead of hacking at the   refs for 30 minutes. A kids mom doesnt want entrust her little baby to a bully.

I do believe the 2011 class filled some holes and so will this class 2012.  What has hurt us most is we havent picked up a Suh in each of them.  

I have to disagree with part of your statement.  Bo's actions on the sidelines don't really have that much effect on a player.  Why?  Their H.S. coach is often times like that.  It's something most kids are used to.  The getting embarrassed on National TV I can agree with.  Although some recruits do say, "This team needs help and I can play right away to help them."  However IMO getting blasted hurts more than Bo's actions on the sidelines.

My HS Coach when he unleashed it was twice as harsh as Bo but one big difference.  He could control it after his initial outburst. His intensity for the game he never let get in the way of the game.  That is something I personally thing Bo needs to get in his resume.

The other thing Joe is your coach wasnt doing it in prime time on tv.

[Big Sky Husker]

The worst recruiting class of the 2000s was easily Solich's 2000 class.

And on signing day, that class was ranked top ten.

As Bo said, "It's not about what they are coming in. It's about what they are going out."

Wrong.  6 recruiting fandom sites ranked the 2000 Nebraska class outside the top ten.

http://huskermax.com/recruits/2000_recruiting_ratings.html

Not often someone posts a link contradictory to their claim!

From your link, Bobby Burton (Rivals) ranked the class #10.

Re-read your post.  It'll help.

I said that Solich's 2000 class was ranked top ten on signing day.  And they were, as your link proved.  They were ranked #10 by Bobbie Burton, who started Rivals a year later.  

Maybe you should take your own advice and re-read my post.  

One service, out of six, ranked us 10th.  Everyone else... outside the top ten.  But hey... Bobby Burton had us ranked number 10.  Next year... please enlighten us on where Bobby Burton ranks the 2013 team.  That is, if he is in the recruiting business anymore.  

[Sexy Leather]

As long as Nebraska recruits ethically and by the book we'll ALWAYS lose out on the elite prospects.

Location notwithstanding, do you think it's an accident that schools like LSU, Alabama, USC, Texas and others seem to always land the most elite recruits?  No.  They land those top prospects because they check their ethics and morality (if they even have them to begin with) at the door.  You guys have to understand, there are unwritten rules as to how the recruiting game is played.  Elite recruits expect to be given large sums of cash, they expect to be given perks like cars and other types of inducements.  It's the way the game is played.

I'm actually surprised that Nebraska recruits as well as they do given the fact that they don't cheat.

[BubbliciousRed]

The worst recruiting class of the 2000s was easily Solich's 2000 class.

And on signing day, that class was ranked top ten.

As Bo said, "It's not about what they are coming in. It's about what they are going out."

Wrong.  6 recruiting fandom sites ranked the 2000 Nebraska class outside the top ten.

http://huskermax.com/recruits/2000_recruiting_ratings.html

Not often someone posts a link contradictory to their claim!

From your link, Bobby Burton (Rivals) ranked the class #10.

Re-read your post.  It'll help.

I said that Solich's 2000 class was ranked top ten on signing day.  And they were, as your link proved.  They were ranked #10 by Bobbie Burton, who started Rivals a year later.  

Maybe you should take your own advice and re-read my post.  

One service, out of six, ranked us 10th.  Everyone else... outside the top ten.  But hey... Bobby Burton had us ranked number 10.  Next year... please enlighten us on where Bobby Burton ranks the 2013 team.  That is, if he is in the recruiting business anymore.  

Thanks for re-reading my post.   

And yes, I suspect Rivals will still be in the recruiting business next year. 

[HuskerFan2002]

As long as Nebraska recruits ethically and by the book we'll ALWAYS lose out on the elite prospects.

Location notwithstanding, do you think it's an accident that schools like LSU, Alabama, USC, Texas and others seem to always land the most elite recruits?  No.  They land those top prospects because they check their ethics and morality (if they even have them to begin with) at the door.  You guys have to understand, there are unwritten rules as to how the recruiting game is played.  Elite recruits expect to be given large sums of cash, they expect to be given perks like cars and other types of inducements.  It's the way the game is played.

I'm actually surprised that Nebraska recruits as well as they do given the fact that they don't cheat.

As the old saying goes, "If you're not cheating, you're not trying."

[Omaha_Phil]

As long as Nebraska recruits ethically and by the book we'll ALWAYS lose out on the elite prospects.

Location notwithstanding, do you think it's an accident that schools like LSU, Alabama, USC, Texas and others seem to always land the most elite recruits?  No.  They land those top prospects because they check their ethics and morality (if they even have them to begin with) at the door.  You guys have to understand, there are unwritten rules as to how the recruiting game is played.  Elite recruits expect to be given large sums of cash, they expect to be given perks like cars and other types of inducements.  It's the way the game is played.

I'm actually surprised that Nebraska recruits as well as they do given the fact that they don't cheat.

What makes you so certain NU doesn't cheat at all?  We recruited some serious thugs in the 90's and there was some questionable things going on with the athletes at that time (I saw several myself).

I admit, I have no idea what is going regarding cheating/not cheating but I'm curious why you are so sure everyone else but NU cheats (I'm talking elite schools).

Many of those schools get top recruits because a) they're playing very well right now, b) their states produce many stud athelets and c) they have proven coaches that get kids to the NFL.

[Sexy Leather]

What makes you so certain NU doesn't cheat at all?

Have you ever heard stories about Nebraska's players being given large sums of cash in the locker room after a game?  I haven't.  That can't be said about LSU, Alabama and USC just to name a few. 

We recruited some serious thugs in the 90's and there was some questionable things going on with the athletes at that time (I saw several myself).

Such as? 

I admit, I have no idea what is going regarding cheating/not cheating but I'm curious why you are so sure everyone else but NU cheats (I'm talking elite schools).

The history of USC, Alabama, and the SEC in general.  What you think that tiger is going to change its spots?  Fat chance.

And I'm not even going to get into the gross over-signing practices of the SEC which is blatant cheating right out in the open.

Many of those schools get top recruits because a) they're playing very well right now, b) their states produce many stud athelets and c) they have proven coaches that get kids to the NFL.

1.  Nebraska had seven players drafted into the NFL last April.  Name any other schools that matched or exceeded that.

2.  Nebraska is one of the top schools at putting kids into the NFL.  Look at the numbers and compare.  Nebraska simply doesn't get credit for the number of kids they put into the league because it's by and large 2nd rounders and below.

[Omaha_Phil]

What makes you so certain NU doesn't cheat at all?

Have you ever heard stories about Nebraska's players being given large sums of cash in the locker room after a game?  I haven't.  That can't be said about LSU, Alabama and USC just to name a few. 

We recruited some serious thugs in the 90's and there was some questionable things going on with the athletes at that time (I saw several myself).

Such as? 

I admit, I have no idea what is going regarding cheating/not cheating but I'm curious why you are so sure everyone else but NU cheats (I'm talking elite schools).

The history of USC, Alabama, and the SEC in general.  What you think that tiger is going to change its spots?  Fat chance.

And I'm not even going to get into the gross over-signing practices of the SEC which is blatant cheating right out in the open.

Many of those schools get top recruits because a) they're playing very well right now, b) their states produce many stud athelets and c) they have proven coaches that get kids to the NFL.

1.  Nebraska had seven players drafted into the NFL last April.  Name any other schools that matched or exceeded that.

2.  Nebraska is one of the top schools at putting kids into the NFL.  Look at the numbers and compare.  Nebraska simply doesn't get credit for the number of kids they put into the league because it's by and large 2nd rounders and below.

My bad, I didn't realize you not having heard any stories was fact.

Did you ever see LP's car that he drove around campus?  He was a ward of the state of CA and he was driving a very nice car (new Mustand if memory serves, but I could be off).

Just clicked on the N's, North Carolina had 9, 4 in rounds 1 and 2.  6 of ours were round 4 and later

That's not a bad thing, I'm not arguing we send kids to the NFL when as you stated, even if it gets overlooked, that means kids aren't paying as much attention because it's on day 2 or 3 (not even sure how many days the draft is anymore). 

[LarstheRed]

Man, it sure seems like we're looking for a glass half empty here. Look at some of these schools and their numbers.

-ND had 1 kid picked.
-Mizzou 3
-Mich St 2
-Mich 1
-Miami had 8 kids taken, but only posted a 7-6 record
-Bama 5
-Ark 3
-Auburn 4, 2 #1's and 2 #7's

If our point is we lack talent, then I would disagree. We have talent, but that may not be matched with depth, and there could also be some issues with development. Bo just isn't a gambler when he thinks he has something to lose. He plays it close to the vest, and to a fault at times I would say. I think back to his first season when he really didn't have much to work with in some ways, and getting the kids to feel that fire meant he had to do some more aggressive things. That seems to have faded as he has tried to stabilize a program. I think he needs to restoke that fire and let loose of the reigns a little. Get some youth in the game, take some risks. I don't want him to get bizarre, but don't be afraid to throw a curve now and again.

Anyway, proceed with the drafted player debate.

[Solly]

So, Phil, you're asking that we all prove NU isn't cheating? 

Would you allow one of your clients to be required to prove a negative without objection?

[Omaha_Phil]

So, Phil, you're asking that we all prove NU isn't cheating? 

Would you allow one of your clients to be required to prove a negative without objection?

Not at all, I just wasn't very clear.

I'm not saying NU is cheating (I'd guess not) but I think it's a little extreme to believe everyone (elite schools) else is cheating.  No doubt some schools are cheating (heck, NU tried giving students more books so they would better understand their classes!  Cheaters!) but to suggest that we are losing out on high level recruits because everyone else, but us, cheats is just crazy to me.

There are other reasons we are losing out on some of them, IMO. 

Just seems like some people are filled with excuses.

[Sexy Leather]

My bad, I didn't realize you not having heard any stories was fact.

Did you ever see LP's car that he drove around campus?  He was a ward of the state of CA and he was driving a very nice car (new Mustand if memory serves, but I could be off).

Just clicked on the N's, North Carolina had 9, 4 in rounds 1 and 2.  6 of ours were round 4 and later

That's not a bad thing, I'm not arguing we send kids to the NFL when as you stated, even if it gets overlooked, that means kids aren't paying as much attention because it's on day 2 or 3 (not even sure how many days the draft is anymore). 

While I have no proof that other schools are cheating, given their history of it, it doesn't take too much of a stretch to think that they're still engaging in illegal activities.  I mean the SEC practically invented cheating and when the rules were changed to prohibit giving cash to players most schools stopped.  Not the SEC...it's the defacto way of life.  That tiger will never change its spots.

One school, North Carolina, exceeded Nebraska in draft picks--the same North Carolina school that had almost their entire starting defense suspended for receiving "improper benefits." 

4. Allegations student-athletes received preferential treatment and accepted impermissible benefits. Seven players accepted more than $27,000 in impermissible benefits during 2009 and 2010. Among the players were Marvin Austin, Greg Little and Robert Quinn, all of whom were declared permanently ineligible last season. Austin also was dismissed from school.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/feed/2010-08/unc-investigation/story/north-carolina-football-facing-several-serious-ncaa-violations#ixzz1le8I4vWH

The good news is, we don't need those types of players to be able to compete and win on the field because at the college level a 3* kid can be just as good as a 4 or 5*.

The point: The only way Nebraska will ever start landing these elite players is to do it the SEC way--cheat like a crooked politician.

[Capn Krunch]

]Yeah, but as far as recruiting experts go, Bobby Burton was a bust.

http://rivals100.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=146002

Bobby Burton
National Analyst and Publisher
Nationally recognized as one of the foremost authorities on college football recruiting. Burton was ranked the 88th most powerful person in sports by The Sporting News in 2000 for his influence on college recruiting. Burton was the long-time editor-in-chief of the National Recruiting Advisor, a ground-breaking newsletter and magazine that focused on college football recruiting, before selling the publication to Rival Networks in April of 1999. He has written for ESPN.com, The Sporting News, FansOnly, FoxSports.com and the Dallas Morning News and has appeared on numerous television and radio shows nationwide. He serves as a consultant for the Parade All-America teams. Burton is also in charge of putting together the Rivals.com team of analysts and reporters, a group generally considered the best in the business.

Dude, are you really campaigning for recruiting gurus? My post was meant to be ironic. I don't care what BB thinks of our class. Nobody can watch every player enough to know how they will pan out.  Bobby Burton has proven himself capable of managing a database.

[Airbornehusker]

What makes you so certain NU doesn't cheat at all?

Have you ever heard stories about Nebraska's players being given large sums of cash in the locker room after a game?  I haven't.  That can't be said about LSU, Alabama and USC just to name a few.  

We recruited some serious thugs in the 90's and there was some questionable things going on with the athletes at that time (I saw several myself).

Such as?  

I admit, I have no idea what is going regarding cheating/not cheating but I'm curious why you are so sure everyone else but NU cheats (I'm talking elite schools).

The history of USC, Alabama, and the SEC in general.  What you think that tiger is going to change its spots?  Fat chance.

And I'm not even going to get into the gross over-signing practices of the SEC which is blatant cheating right out in the open.

Many of those schools get top recruits because a) they're playing very well right now, b) their states produce many stud athelets and c) they have proven coaches that get kids to the NFL.

1.  Nebraska had seven players drafted into the NFL last April.  Name any other schools that matched or exceeded that.

2.  Nebraska is one of the top schools at putting kids into the NFL.  Look at the numbers and compare.  Nebraska simply doesn't get credit for the number of kids they put into the league because it's by and large 2nd rounders and below.

My bad, I didn't realize you not having heard any stories was fact.

Did you ever see LP's car that he drove around campus?  He was a ward of the state of CA and he was driving a very nice car (new Mustand if memory serves, but I could be off).

Just clicked on the N's, North Carolina had 9, 4 in rounds 1 and 2.  6 of ours were round 4 and later

That's not a bad thing, I'm not arguing we send kids to the NFL when as you stated, even if it gets overlooked, that means kids aren't paying as much attention because it's on day 2 or 3 (not even sure how many days the draft is anymore).  

LP lived a couple doors down from me in college and I can vouch for the fact that he drove a VERY nice brand new black Mustang.  How he got it?  None of my business.  On the other hand, I used to party with another former Husker and NFL player who was about as highly recruited as they come.  All he ever had to drink at his house was Miller High Life.  If anyone was giving him extra benefits, he didn't spend it on beer.