Time to honor Solich

[SUHnami]

We all have opinions, mine is that he wasn't the right man for the job at the time. 

People keep saying that, but they can't answer this:

Who was a better man for the job at the time?

Bob Stoops, Turner Gill, Charlie McBride.  I could go on and on.  Byrne wanted to hire Bob Stoops but couldn't because he felt obligated to hire TOs hand picked successor.

[Cdog923]

We all have opinions, mine is that he wasn't the right man for the job at the time. 

People keep saying that, but they can't answer this:

Who was a better man for the job at the time?

Bob Stoops, Turner Gill, Charlie McBride.  I could go on and on.  Byrne wanted to hire Bob Stoops but couldn't because he felt obligated to hire TOs hand picked successor.

I had never heard that before...is that true?

[FeelLikeAStranger]

We all have opinions, mine is that he wasn't the right man for the job at the time. 

People keep saying that, but they can't answer this:

Who was a better man for the job at the time?

Bob Stoops, Turner Gill, Charlie McBride.  I could go on and on.  Byrne wanted to hire Bob Stoops but couldn't because he felt obligated to hire TOs hand picked successor.

Turner Gill was in year 6 or 7 as a full-time NU assistant.  He had not been a coordinator at any level.  The rest of the staff had close to 20 years experience on him each, yet you think he was a better fit at the time?

Revisionist history yet again.  There probably would have been a deeper divide, both in the fanbase and in the staff than there was, and some of it likely along racial lines, unfortunately.  (not on the staff, but idiots in our fanbase)

What makes you think McBride could have handled the everyday of the HC job?  Could he have gone from gruff, ass-kicking Uncle Charlie DEF Coord to sitting in the camera spotlight of endless PC's dishing out coach-speak to pacify the masses without losing it and upsetting the apparently delicate sensitivities of Husker Fan?  He'd have been like Robert Loggia in "Necessary Roughness" when he had Ed Gennaro's whistle and was wearing the coat, but completely lost it.  Who do you honestly think he would have named OC?  My money is that he would have had the same guy calling plays that ended up calling plays.  That hire may have been more popular, but given that he retired 2 years later, it doesn't seem like he would have been a long-term solution.  Osborne was in the best position to know who was not only ready for the job, but who could actually get he job done of managing an experienced staff.


Stoops?  Yeah, real popular hire there, given that we had been kicking the living crap out of him as a co-DC at KSU and hung 62 on him as DC at UF.  Hire a young outsider to take over that staff?   Laughable.


Please, go on and on.  Right now you have 2 strikes and one throw to first base to check the runner in McBride.

[SUHnami]

We all have opinions, mine is that he wasn't the right man for the job at the time. 

People keep saying that, but they can't answer this:

Who was a better man for the job at the time?

Bob Stoops, Turner Gill, Charlie McBride.  I could go on and on.  Byrne wanted to hire Bob Stoops but couldn't because he felt obligated to hire TOs hand picked successor.

Turner Gill was in year 6 or 7 as a full-time NU assistant.  He had not been a coordinator at any level.  The rest of the staff had close to 20 years experience on him each, yet you think he was a better fit at the time?

Revisionist history yet again.  There probably would have been a deeper divide, both in the fanbase and in the staff than there was, and some of it likely along racial lines, unfortunately.  (not on the staff, but idiots in our fanbase)

What makes you think McBride could have handled the everyday of the HC job?  Could he have gone from gruff, ass-kicking Uncle Charlie DEF Coord to sitting in the camera spotlight of endless PC's dishing out coach-speak to pacify the masses without losing it and upsetting the apparently delicate sensitivities of Husker Fan?  He'd have been like Robert Loggia in "Necessary Roughness" when he had Ed Gennaro's whistle and was wearing the coat, but completely lost it.  Who do you honestly think he would have named OC?  My money is that he would have had the same guy calling plays that ended up calling plays.  That hire may have been more popular, but given that he retired 2 years later, it doesn't seem like he would have been a long-term solution.  Osborne was in the best position to know who was not only ready for the job, but who could actually get he job done of managing an experienced staff.


Stoops?  Yeah, real popular hire there, given that we had been kicking the living crap out of him as a co-DC at KSU and hung 62 on him as DC at UF.  Hire a young outsider to take over that staff?   Laughable.


Please, go on and on.  Right now you have 2 strikes and one throw to first base to check the runner in McBride.

Solich had never been a coordinator either.  So he was more qualified than Gill how other than more experience as a position coach?   Gill not only was the QB coach, but aside from TO knew that offense better than anyone else on that team including Solich.  If nothing else Solich's biggest misstep was not elevating Gill to OC and allow him to call the plays.  I think if he had done this we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now.  Solich would still be NU's HC.  That right there tells you how poor of a choice he was.  Heck if when he made the changes he did instead of hiring Cotton as OC he should've then elevated Gill.  Stoops wanted Gill to be his OC at least once and I believe twice while he was at NU.  Solich had a huge ego and thought he could be like Tom.  He wasn't.  What Tom did not very many HC's could do. 

There was a lot of things going on behind closed doors for the Solich hiring.  Byrne not wanting Solich as HC, Solich not being able to fire and hire the assistants he wanted because of loyalty to Tom, etc. 

As far as 2 strikes not hardly.  All I can tell you is once McBride left and we cycled through almost all of TO's recruits Solich's HC skills came out.  They weren't very good.  When he took the year off he spent a lot of time going around the country, but interestingly enough he chose to spend a portion of his time at OU and Bob Stoops learning the offense they use so much.  So if Bob was not a good choice why would Solich seek him and his offensive coaches out?  Seems like Bob would've been perfect for NU had Bryne had the chance.



As for Stoops yes Byrne did want to hire him as the HC to replace TO.  He was the DC at Florida at the time. 

[BubbliciousRed]

SpongeBob Bowlflop?  LMAO!

Byrne would've been run out of town on a rail.  He won an NC with Blake's recruits and has squandered perennial top ten recruiting classes ever since.  Had an 8-4 and an 8-5 season, but this year's flop after being consensus pre-season #1 was just as bad.   

[SUHnami]

SpongeBob Bowlflop?  LMAO!

Byrne would've been run out of town on a rail.  He won an NC with Blake's recruits and has squandered perennial top ten recruiting classes ever since.  Had an 8-4 and an 8-5 season, but this year's flop after being consensus pre-season #1 was just as bad.   

Really?  Hmm...let's see...if Stoops was hired he'd have had Osborne's players and would've done as well if not better than Frankie did.  Oh and BTW Frankie squandered perrenial Top 10 team as well in 2002 and 2003.  See some of you are blinded by your rose colored glasses.  I love Frank.  He sacrificed for the program, but he was the wrong choice for HC at NU.  Is he better as a HC now then he was?  Definitely.  He at the time wasn't the right man for the job.  I do agree if they were going to fire him it should have been after the 2002 season.  SP is and always will be a moron, especially since he made such a spectacle of the Solich firing by hiring Billy C who was his 5th choice and a bad HC. 

Opinions will vary.  You have your and I have mine.  However I knew several players and AD personnel from my days at NU who knew Frank.  There's a reason Ahman Green left after his Junior year instead of staying to increase his draft stock.  And it wasn't because TO retired or because he had a family to support. I'll just leave it at that.

[BubbliciousRed]

SpongeBob Bowlflop?  LMAO!

Byrne would've been run out of town on a rail.  He won an NC with Blake's recruits and has squandered perennial top ten recruiting classes ever since.  Had an 8-4 and an 8-5 season, but this year's flop after being consensus pre-season #1 was just as bad.   

Really?  Hmm...let's see...if Stoops was hired he'd have had Osborne's players and would've done as well if not better than Frankie did.  Oh and BTW Frankie squandered perrenial Top 10 team as well in 2002 and 2003.  See some of you are blinded by your rose colored glasses.  I love Frank.  He sacrificed for the program, but he was the wrong choice for HC at NU.  Is he better as a HC now then he was?  Definitely.  He at the time wasn't the right man for the job.  I do agree if they were going to fire him it should have been after the 2002 season.  SP is and always will be a moron, especially since he made such a spectacle of the Solich firing by hiring Billy C who was his 5th choice and a bad HC. 

Opinions will vary.  You have your and I have mine.  However I knew several players and AD personnel from my days at NU who knew Frank.  There's a reason Ahman Green left after his Junior year instead of staying to increase his draft stock.  And it wasn't because TO retired or because he had a family to support. I'll just leave it at that.

Uh, I was being sarcastic and using your own criticisms of Frank against Stoops to show you how silly it sounds.

[Big Sky Husker]

SpongeBob Bowlflop?  LMAO!

Byrne would've been run out of town on a rail.  He won an NC with Blake's recruits and has squandered perennial top ten recruiting classes ever since.  Had an 8-4 and an 8-5 season, but this year's flop after being consensus pre-season #1 was just as bad.   

Laughing... again.  OU was 10 - 3 this year.  And if it was a choice between Bob Stoops (hell, even Mike Stoops) and Frank Solich... the Stoops win easily.  Never forget what they said about Frank Solich.  He can take his and lose to your's, and he take your's and lose to his. 

10 - 3 is better than 9 - 4, in case you missed it.  Boomer Sooner!

[SUHnami]

SpongeBob Bowlflop?  LMAO!

Byrne would've been run out of town on a rail.  He won an NC with Blake's recruits and has squandered perennial top ten recruiting classes ever since.  Had an 8-4 and an 8-5 season, but this year's flop after being consensus pre-season #1 was just as bad.   

Really?  Hmm...let's see...if Stoops was hired he'd have had Osborne's players and would've done as well if not better than Frankie did.  Oh and BTW Frankie squandered perrenial Top 10 team as well in 2002 and 2003.  See some of you are blinded by your rose colored glasses.  I love Frank.  He sacrificed for the program, but he was the wrong choice for HC at NU.  Is he better as a HC now then he was?  Definitely.  He at the time wasn't the right man for the job.  I do agree if they were going to fire him it should have been after the 2002 season.  SP is and always will be a moron, especially since he made such a spectacle of the Solich firing by hiring Billy C who was his 5th choice and a bad HC. 

Opinions will vary.  You have your and I have mine.  However I knew several players and AD personnel from my days at NU who knew Frank.  There's a reason Ahman Green left after his Junior year instead of staying to increase his draft stock.  And it wasn't because TO retired or because he had a family to support. I'll just leave it at that.

Uh, I was being sarcastic and using your own criticisms of Frank against Stoops to show you how silly it sounds.

Yeah right.  You say that after I totally debunk your quip or sarcastic remark that Stoops wouldn't have been better with TO's players than Frank was.  Nice try though.  Again I like Frank and think he's a good man.  At the time he just didn't have what it took to be a D1-A elite coach.  Nothing wrong with that just the way it was.

[Solly]

Easy, boys...!

Let's keep it to a low boil.

[Red Ghost]

SpongeBob Bowlflop?  LMAO!

Byrne would've been run out of town on a rail.  He won an NC with Blake's recruits and has squandered perennial top ten recruiting classes ever since.  Had an 8-4 and an 8-5 season, but this year's flop after being consensus pre-season #1 was just as bad.   

Really?  Hmm...let's see...if Stoops was hired he'd have had Osborne's players and would've done as well if not better than Frankie did.  Oh and BTW Frankie squandered perrenial Top 10 team as well in 2002 and 2003.  See some of you are blinded by your rose colored glasses.  I love Frank.  He sacrificed for the program, but he was the wrong choice for HC at NU.  Is he better as a HC now then he was?  Definitely.  He at the time wasn't the right man for the job.  I do agree if they were going to fire him it should have been after the 2002 season.  SP is and always will be a moron, especially since he made such a spectacle of the Solich firing by hiring Billy C who was his 5th choice and a bad HC. 

Opinions will vary.  You have your and I have mine.  However I knew several players and AD personnel from my days at NU who knew Frank.  There's a reason Ahman Green left after his Junior year instead of staying to increase his draft stock.  And it wasn't because TO retired or because he had a family to support. I'll just leave it at that.

Uh, I was being sarcastic and using your own criticisms of Frank against Stoops to show you how silly it sounds.

Uh, I fail to understand the sarcasm.  If you want to argue that Solich is the equal of, or better than, Stoops as a head coach......please, amaze us with your brilliant insight.

[Solly]

And....this thread is done.