Beck's Offense

[Sexy Leather]

I think that Petersen is a good enough coach that as long as they keep him they'll be fine. Losing Moore and so many other key players will cause them to take a step back. But given their schedule it won;t be that noticeable. And they'll bounce back quickly. I think he's just that good.

BSU has Michigan State at E. Lansing and BYU on their non-conf schedule.  They're moving to the Big East, right?  I can see 2 or 3 losses for them next year. 

I agree but for different reasons.  Boise State is losing a four year starter at QB (an excellent player at that) and their entire DL to graduation.  They'll still be a good team but yeah, 3, maybe 4 losses isn't out of the question.  Bronco fans are probably in for a rough go of it next season for sure.

[Big Sky Husker]

My prediction is... what you've seen over the past two years with Martinez is what you're going to get in 2012.  Namely... a game manager QB.  Good enough for 7 to 9 wins, may be with some luck... 10 wins.  His top end with running the ball... well, we've already seen that early in the 2010 season.  I haven't seen it since.  And I doubt you're going to see it again... either because of an injury, the game plan, defenses preparing for him, etc.  In two years his passing has improved a little bit.  Anyone hoping for better than that is simply hoping.  You show one QB in the history of Nebraska who came on board as a mediocre passer and within 2 - 3 years markedly improved in the passing department.

I beg to differ.  First, I believe we'll have a backup QB next season who can actually step in and manage a game, and who will get some meaningful reps.  This will loosen up the playcalling for Martinez to run more.  

Second, here's one QB that seemed to get better with age.  Know who it is?:

FR: 44.6%, 873 yards, 133 rating
So: 48.4%, 1365 yards, 126 rating
Jr: 44.9%, 298 yards, 110 rating
Sr. 55.4%, 1467 yards, 151 rating
Career 49.1%, 4003 yards, 138 rating

And here are Martinez's numbers so far

Fr: 59.2%, 1631 yards, 139 rating
So: 56.2%, 2089 yards, 127 rating
Career : 57.4%, 3720 yards, 131 rating

If Martinez has a junior season similar to his sophomore season, he's the new all-time career passing yardage leader in Husker history with an extra year to spare.  He has a better career completion percentage than Zac Taylor, the current leader.

Despite those stats, certainly you can at least agree that Martinez has some room for improvement, right?

Yes... he can improve.  The problem is... I don't see him improving much... and the folks who claim he can, well... it sounds like a lot of hope versus reality.  Martinez will have a lot of great stats, rushing and passing, when he graduates, but the one stat that matters most is his W/L record as a starting QB.  That stat is going to be rather average, IMO.  I think most Nebraska fans would say great Nebraska QBs include Jerry Tagge, Turner Gill, Tommie Frazier, Scott Frost.  A second tier could include Steve Taylor and Eric Crouch.  I don't think Martinez is in either group... at least right now. 

[Big Sky Husker]

I think that Petersen is a good enough coach that as long as they keep him they'll be fine. Losing Moore and so many other key players will cause them to take a step back. But given their schedule it won;t be that noticeable. And they'll bounce back quickly. I think he's just that good.

BSU has Michigan State at E. Lansing and BYU on their non-conf schedule.  They're moving to the Big East, right?  I can see 2 or 3 losses for them next year. 

I agree but for different reasons.  Boise State is losing a four year starter at QB (an excellent player at that) and their entire DL to graduation.  They'll still be a good team but yeah, 3, maybe 4 losses isn't out of the question.  Bronco fans are probably in for a rough go of it next season for sure.

Agree.  I don't see BSU winning 12 or 13 games this coming year. 

[BubbliciousRed]

My prediction is... what you've seen over the past two years with Martinez is what you're going to get in 2012.  Namely... a game manager QB.  Good enough for 7 to 9 wins, may be with some luck... 10 wins.  His top end with running the ball... well, we've already seen that early in the 2010 season.  I haven't seen it since.  And I doubt you're going to see it again... either because of an injury, the game plan, defenses preparing for him, etc.  In two years his passing has improved a little bit.  Anyone hoping for better than that is simply hoping.  You show one QB in the history of Nebraska who came on board as a mediocre passer and within 2 - 3 years markedly improved in the passing department.

I beg to differ.  First, I believe we'll have a backup QB next season who can actually step in and manage a game, and who will get some meaningful reps.  This will loosen up the playcalling for Martinez to run more.  

Second, here's one QB that seemed to get better with age.  Know who it is?:

FR: 44.6%, 873 yards, 133 rating
So: 48.4%, 1365 yards, 126 rating
Jr: 44.9%, 298 yards, 110 rating
Sr. 55.4%, 1467 yards, 151 rating
Career 49.1%, 4003 yards, 138 rating

And here are Martinez's numbers so far

Fr: 59.2%, 1631 yards, 139 rating
So: 56.2%, 2089 yards, 127 rating
Career : 57.4%, 3720 yards, 131 rating

If Martinez has a junior season similar to his sophomore season, he's the new all-time career passing yardage leader in Husker history with an extra year to spare.  He has a better career completion percentage than Zac Taylor, the current leader.

Despite those stats, certainly you can at least agree that Martinez has some room for improvement, right?

Yes... he can improve.  The problem is... I don't see him improving much... and the folks who claim he can, well... it sounds like a lot of hope versus reality.  Martinez will have a lot of great stats, rushing and passing, when he graduates, but the one stat that matters most is his W/L record as a starting QB.  That stat is going to be rather average, IMO.  I think most Nebraska fans would say great Nebraska QBs include Jerry Tagge, Turner Gill, Tommie Frazier, Scott Frost.  A second tier could include Steve Taylor and Eric Crouch.  I don't think Martinez is in either group... at least right now. 

All those QBs you listed improved quite a bit either soph to jr season, or jr to sr season.  I see no reason why Martinez wouldn't show some substantial improvement next season in year two with a new OC.

[Big Sky Husker]

My prediction is... what you've seen over the past two years with Martinez is what you're going to get in 2012.  Namely... a game manager QB.  Good enough for 7 to 9 wins, may be with some luck... 10 wins.  His top end with running the ball... well, we've already seen that early in the 2010 season.  I haven't seen it since.  And I doubt you're going to see it again... either because of an injury, the game plan, defenses preparing for him, etc.  In two years his passing has improved a little bit.  Anyone hoping for better than that is simply hoping.  You show one QB in the history of Nebraska who came on board as a mediocre passer and within 2 - 3 years markedly improved in the passing department.

I beg to differ.  First, I believe we'll have a backup QB next season who can actually step in and manage a game, and who will get some meaningful reps.  This will loosen up the playcalling for Martinez to run more.  

Second, here's one QB that seemed to get better with age.  Know who it is?:

FR: 44.6%, 873 yards, 133 rating
So: 48.4%, 1365 yards, 126 rating
Jr: 44.9%, 298 yards, 110 rating
Sr. 55.4%, 1467 yards, 151 rating
Career 49.1%, 4003 yards, 138 rating

And here are Martinez's numbers so far

Fr: 59.2%, 1631 yards, 139 rating
So: 56.2%, 2089 yards, 127 rating
Career : 57.4%, 3720 yards, 131 rating

If Martinez has a junior season similar to his sophomore season, he's the new all-time career passing yardage leader in Husker history with an extra year to spare.  He has a better career completion percentage than Zac Taylor, the current leader.

Despite those stats, certainly you can at least agree that Martinez has some room for improvement, right?

Yes... he can improve.  The problem is... I don't see him improving much... and the folks who claim he can, well... it sounds like a lot of hope versus reality.  Martinez will have a lot of great stats, rushing and passing, when he graduates, but the one stat that matters most is his W/L record as a starting QB.  That stat is going to be rather average, IMO.  I think most Nebraska fans would say great Nebraska QBs include Jerry Tagge, Turner Gill, Tommie Frazier, Scott Frost.  A second tier could include Steve Taylor and Eric Crouch.  I don't think Martinez is in either group... at least right now. 

All those QBs you listed improved quite a bit either soph to jr season, or jr to sr season.  I see no reason why Martinez wouldn't show some substantial improvement next season in year two with a new OC.

Disagree.  I know Tagge, Gill and Frazier were very good... right out the gate.  Frost didn't need to improve much.  Taylor and Crouch improved some between freshman and sophomore years.  Tagge, Gill and Frazier had that "glow' about them... they could will the team to win.  Crouch and Frost had it too... in a smaller quantity.  I don't sense that about Martinez.  He looked awesome at the beginning of 2010.  I've followed Nebraska a long time and I have never seen a QB as fast as he was.  His games at Washington and KSU were eye opening.  But once other teams found a way to defend against him... he lost that magic.  He had to make plays throwing the ball, and he is clearly the weakest passer we've had as a starting QB in a long time. 

I hope he shows improvement next year.  But right now... it's just hope.  Any improvement you see is likely to be like what you saw between 2010 and 2011.  A little bit.

[BubbliciousRed]

You're comparing Martinez as a sophomore  to your memories of those other guys as seniors. 

Frazier improved a lot as a passer from his sophomore year.  As a senior, he had a .564 completion percentage.  Prior to that he was a career .458 passer. 

Frost didn't look too good his junior year down in the desert.

Gill barely played as a freshman.  Had one pass attempt.  In fact, he was 4th string behind Mason, Mauer and Quinn.  Took him part way through his sophomore year before passing Mauer.  He threw at a .516 completion percentage that season.  By his senior year that improved to .553.

Crouch went from .481 completion percentage to .556 between his jr and sr season.

[Sexy Leather]

Going back to the title of this thread...I like Beck's offense.  I do wish he'd incorporate more play-action out of the I-Formation though.

Side note: If a team has one TE and one RB that is 11 personnel.  If a team has two TEs and two RBs that's 22 personnel.  The Diamond is 30 personnel (three RBs and no TEs).

However, where I get cloudy is if a team has one TE and two RBs...is that 12 or 21 personnel?
Or how about two TEs and three RBs...is that 23 or 32 personnel?
What about three TEs and one RB...is that 13 or 31?